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Into White · Mar 19, 2008, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

If you've never coordinated to play in AB, you're the one to blame. It's not because most people don't that you can't. I repeat, YOU are the one to blame. In AB, we play together. Even in PUGs, all you have to do is say something like "we shall follow X". If you see that they are retards running everywhere, just leave. But I can assure you that it is not as rare as people (who don't play AB and just come here for the fun of saying they play GvG or HA therefore we must do as they say) tend to make it appear.

i would argue that it's rarer to find PUG's in AB who really understand wtf they're doing. consider that no matter how good your team is you can and will lose if the others suck - as they often do. frankly i'd rather follow some one with r3 hero rank than any luxon or kurzick r 12.

MasterSasori · Mar 19, 2008, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by Into White

i would argue that it's rarer to find PUG's in AB who really understand wtf they're doing.

Depends on experience. You are correct that many many PUGs don't understand what they're doing, but then again there are plenty that do.

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Originally Posted by Into White

...consider that no matter how good your team is you can and will lose if the others suck - as they often do.

Same can be said on the other side. AB is often a drawing game of which side has the overall "better" team. Better can be many different things. Faster capper, better coordination, better builds, better skills, better synergy...

Molock · Mar 25, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

There is no way that you will actually become good at cripshot in AB. The people that play there are (for the most part) clueless and snaring them is a easy as pulling out ur recurve bow, targeting and shoting. Oh, and lets not get started with interupting... most elementalists, necromancers, even monks use long casting spells (because usually in AB you don't meet any interupters). If you feel that interupting SS, SH, Fireball or MS is good practice.. umm.. anyway

AB is really just a way to gather faction and have a little fun. I love AB for its entertainement, but I will never claim to practice skills in AB.

My 2 cents.

bungusmaximus · Mar 25, 2008, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Molock

There is no way that you will actually become good at cripshot in AB. The people that play there are (for the most part) clueless and snaring them is a easy as pulling out ur recurve bow, targeting and shoting. Oh, and lets not get started with interupting... most elementalists, necromancers, even monks use long casting spells (because usually in AB you don't meet any interupters). If you feel that interupting SS, SH, Fireball or MS is good practice.. umm.. anyway

AB is really just a way to gather faction and have a little fun. I love AB for its entertainement, but I will never claim to practice skills in AB.

My 2 cents.

D-shotting sin attacks is gud :P. Theres at least a 10 assassins in every ab match so it seems

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MrDark88 · Mar 25, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

D-shotting sin attacks is gud :P. Theres at least a 10 assassins in every ab match so it seems

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And they all challenge you to a 1v1 telling you that you can't heal, inflict blind, run away, block, or any combination of these.

Funny assassins...

MasterSasori · Mar 28, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Molock

I will never claim to practice skills in AB.

I disagree. Playing as a Monk with 3 Leeroy Jenkins is plenty of practice in the art of frustration.

Dallcingi · Mar 28, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

I disagree. Playing as a Monk with 3 Leeroy Jenkins is plenty of practice in the art of frustration.

yuup. and the worst part is when they kill the enemy, theyre like "i did it all by myself!!"

Tyla · Mar 28, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

AB isn't useless, it's best use is the lulz.

newbie_of_doom · Apr 10, 2008, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

For example: Cripshot ranger/Any other sort of role involving snare.
One important idea behind these is controlling/slowing/influencing enemy movement. In RA/TA/HA, its relatively small maps, and two of those three are 4v4 arena's. A cripshot ranger in-training might find it easier to train in ab because of the large maps, with differentiating elevations and lots of targets. It also helps that the main goal is capping, because in order to cap you have to move, and movement control is one thing you're trying to work on.

Are there any other sorts of uses for AB sort of like the above one?

Its true, AB can be great practice. For cripshot/BA(pin down is gd now) but also for other things like:

- Blinding Bot
- Monk
- Tactics in general (just a bit, cause usually u dont need as many tactics cause its not that rare that we own ppl in 4v10 (we r 4))

However I must state that the title is more useless than other ones since in HA it takes a lot of time to come to r9 while being a total nubcake 55 monk w/out ps, while in AB, getting a high kurzick/luxon rank with a 55 monk without PS is certainly possible.

MasterSasori · May 03, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by newbie_of_doom

However I must state that the title is more useless than other ones since in HA it takes a lot of time to come to r9 while being a total nubcake 55 monk w/out ps, while in AB, getting a high kurzick/luxon rank with a 55 monk without PS is certainly possible.

You might also want to mention that HA is filled with title grinders and elitist snobs.

If you want a Faction title, fff is a much more efficient way to do it.

Red Sand · May 03, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by The Meth

How to win in AB: gank npcs faster then your enemies can while protecting your own.

How to win in GvG (since ViO): gank npcs faster then the other team while protecting your own.

Notice the similarity?

I noticed.

I also noticed that high end GvG'rs and HA'rs come to AB just to fight, refuse to cap and control the battlespace. That would make it too much like GvG or HA to I guess, like controlling the flag stand in GvG, or running relics or playing KoH in HA.

Then they come and post on how much AB sucks and how AB isn't Real PvP.

The difference between AB and HA (and GvG) is a coordinated team of Luxon or Kurzick Supporters can play AB and somehow kill a team of HA emote tossing Gladiators. It certainly sucks when the sum of your vast experience and superior skills results in a quick beat-down by a bunch of part time PvP'rs.

Let me get you some tissues.

That's why Elite PvP'rs hate AB, fight instead of cap, and want so badly to make AB into some sort of HA/GvG training ground. They want to change it to suit their playstyle, because the "Best of the Best" in PvP can't dominate AB.

It's too random, with too much emphasis on capping, and not Real PvP.

I love it.

MasterSasori · May 03, 2008, 08:20 PM // 20:20

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Originally Posted by Red Sand

I noticed.

I also noticed that high end GvG'rs and HA'rs come to AB just to fight, refuse to cap and control the battlespace. That would make it too much like GvG or HA to I guess, like controlling the flag stand in GvG, or running relics or playing KoH in HA.

Then they come and post on how much AB sucks and how AB isn't Real PvP.

The difference between AB and HA (and GvG) is a coordinated team of Luxon or Kurzick Supporters can play AB and somehow kill a team of HA emote tossing Gladiators. It certainly sucks when the sum of your vast experience and superior skills results in a quick beat-down by a bunch of part time PvP'rs.

That's why Elite PvP'rs hate AB, fight instead of cap, and want so badly to make AB into some sort of HA/GvG training ground. They want to change it to suit their playstyle, because the "Best of the Best" in PvP can't dominate AB.

More variety in AB than any other PvP. Sparks interests, ideas, and flame wars. AB has never been too big on the killing thing. That's why I suggest RA if you just wanna kill some scrub.

Taurucis · May 03, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Red Sand

I noticed.

I also noticed that high end GvG'rs and HA'rs come to AB just to fight, refuse to cap and control the battlespace. That would make it too much like GvG or HA to I guess, like controlling the flag stand in GvG, or running relics or playing KoH in HA.

Then they come and post on how much AB sucks and how AB isn't Real PvP.

The difference between AB and HA (and GvG) is a coordinated team of Luxon or Kurzick Supporters can play AB and somehow kill a team of HA emote tossing Gladiators. It certainly sucks when the sum of your vast experience and superior skills results in a quick beat-down by a bunch of part time PvP'rs.

Let me get you some tissues.

That's why Elite PvP'rs hate AB, fight instead of cap, and want so badly to make AB into some sort of HA/GvG training ground. They want to change it to suit their playstyle, because the "Best of the Best" in PvP can't dominate AB.

It's too random, with too much emphasis on capping, and not Real PvP.

I love it.

That is an intriguing way of looking at the issue, it also has quite a bit of merit.

A lot of the people who demand 1v1/mob in ABs seem to be the ones that will rank flash you whenever they can... They're the ones that scream "AB SCRUBS" and "PVE NOOBS" when you kill them, most of the time.

Some of the best ABers I have ever seen don't even have any PvP experience. They're usually willing to learn, easygoing, and know how to take a loss without freaking out.

I think all of the mature HAers/GvGers don't play ABs, however... we're probably seeing all of the so called "SWay noobs"

moriz · May 04, 2008, 02:11 AM // 02:11

i think the biggest reason why experienced HA/gvgers tend to perform poorly in AB, is because they don't know how to AB.

let's use my encounter of a well-known gvg warrior in AB as an example. to avoid giving out names, let's call the guy "uziihc".

he went into the match with his gvg shock axe build, with only a heal sig tossed in instead of a rez sig. i played my rip enchant cripslasher.

well, let's just say that fighting this guy was like fighting a porcupine. the few times i ran into him, he completely outplayed me in every aspect. however, his approach to the match was the same as the one he took into gvgs. he was frenzying far too much, and playing far too aggressively.

as a result, the poor guy spent the entire match between the rez orb shrine and the resurrection shrine, because he could go no further before getting pushed back/killed. he scored a ton of kills, but died just as many times. in other words, his superior skill essentially made no difference in the outcome of the match.

as for myself, i capped a number of shrines, scored 6 or 7 kills (two of which was on "uziihc"), successfully defended 2 shrines from multiple attackers, and didn't die a single time. my approach to the game was simply better than "uziihc". so despite the fact that he's more skilled, i had a much bigger impact on the outcome of the match.

i guess the moral of the story is, is that AB is quite different from other forms of pvp. the best ABer is not necessarily someone with superior skill, but someone who is more opportunistic, more strategically sound.

Alex the Great · May 04, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34

i don't consider myself a noob, but when i WAS new that was where i went to get my taste of pvp. after that i got into gvg for a while, now i'm playing pve and doing AB and HA when i get bored.

AB got me my start, it didn't help much, but it helped enough.

edit: AB is also great because i need no vent, so i can rock out to RATM while I am playing!

Mesmer in Need · May 04, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

^agree with moriz. Ab and GvG are 2 different animals. Play styles have to be modded to adapt to AB from other forms of pvp.
I like monking in places like ab, however, because its good experience. People play so many different builds, both good and bad, so you can learn how to deal with different things. With 12 other people against you you never know what you will come up against, or even what your allies will do.

Bobby2 · May 04, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by moriz

the best ABer is not necessarily someone with superior skill, but someone who is more opportunistic, more strategically sound.

'Coward'
'Runner'
'Pussy Sin'

...titles I wear with pride

MasterSasori · May 04, 2008, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

... With 12 other people against you you never know what you will come up against, or even what your allies will do.

Damn straight. To master AB is to master the art of enduring frustration

Red Sand · May 04, 2008, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need

... With 12 other people against you you never know what you will come up against, or even what your allies will do.

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Damn straight. To master AB is to master the art of enduring frustration

That's enlightening. I have a friend that is extremely frustrated playing AB. He has "no character loyalty," as he puts it. He is always making a new toon or a new build to counter some other toon or build. We're trying to get him into HA but he has no game loyalty either and plays COD4 on the side.

But he is frequently unhappy, or "frustrated" I suppose, because what he has created, that worked this match, doesn't necessarily work the next match. He is always fiddling around, trying to come up with the "perfect build".

I mainly play a Warrior or a Ranger, and their builds are the same ones I've been playing for months. I know my role and just plug along, with hope that the rest of my team know when to fight, when to cap and when to run.

And love every minute of it.